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  The Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Namibia and legal problems

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses of namibia has asserted its right to be exempt as an "employer" for purposes of payment to those who work on its behalf, nor are they responsible (they claim) for filing any social security documents as to wages, hours worked, withholding, etc.in 2014, the congregation asked to be de-registered as such.____it didn't go so well.____on the 16 june 2014, authorities replied to the jw's request by confirming that the appellant is considered an employer in terms of the ss act and consequently should be registered with the employees’ compensation fund established by the employees’ compensation act, 1941, as well as having the order register its members with the maternity, sick leave and death benefit established by the ss act___a ping-pong protest and response commenced with multiple requests for clarification by the dubs and protestations and requests for appeal, etc.____authorities decided this matter was best handled by visiting the premises and investigating for themselves what goes on.____after the "visit" by authorities, nothing was offered by the dubs to change any minds.___the jw's continued to whine and protest and appeal, etc.____the authorities examined the congregation's appeal and made the following evaluation:== in the respondent’s listed grounds of opposition, it noted that the appeal filed by the appellant is not proper as it failed to complete the form 11 as contemplated in rule 17(2)(a) of the rules of this court==___jw's protested and appealed the appeal response which didn't appeal to them.___arguments continued until the following finding was released:the labour amendment act stipulates that:18 ‘for the purposes of this act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:(list of factors attached)____blah-blah-blah-blahfinally:the ss act does not provide for de-registration of employers.

  accordingly, logic follows that once an employer has been registered under this act, the obligations created in terms of this act ceases to exist only where the employer (who is a natural person) dies or becomes insolvent or is sequestrated or is liquidated or wound up (where an employer is a juristic person).

  employees may be ‘de-registered’ under that employer in the event they die or their services have been terminated._______cut to the chase:accordingly, the appellant cannot pick and choose which laws should apply to them and which not.

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  The Fall Guy

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  The Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Namibia and legal problems

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses of namibia has asserted its right to be exempt as an "employer" for purposes of payment to those who work on its behalf, nor are they responsible (they claim) for filing any social security documents as to wages, hours worked, withholding, etc.in 2014, the congregation asked to be de-registered as such.____it didn't go so well.____on the 16 june 2014, authorities replied to the jw's request by confirming that the appellant is considered an employer in terms of the ss act and consequently should be registered with the employees’ compensation fund established by the employees’ compensation act, 1941, as well as having the order register its members with the maternity, sick leave and death benefit established by the ss act___a ping-pong protest and response commenced with multiple requests for clarification by the dubs and protestations and requests for appeal, etc.____authorities decided this matter was best handled by visiting the premises and investigating for themselves what goes on.____after the "visit" by authorities, nothing was offered by the dubs to change any minds.___the jw's continued to whine and protest and appeal, etc.____the authorities examined the congregation's appeal and made the following evaluation:== in the respondent’s listed grounds of opposition, it noted that the appeal filed by the appellant is not proper as it failed to complete the form 11 as contemplated in rule 17(2)(a) of the rules of this court==___jw's protested and appealed the appeal response which didn't appeal to them.___arguments continued until the following finding was released:the labour amendment act stipulates that:18 ‘for the purposes of this act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:(list of factors attached)____blah-blah-blah-blahfinally:the ss act does not provide for de-registration of employers.

  accordingly, logic follows that once an employer has been registered under this act, the obligations created in terms of this act ceases to exist only where the employer (who is a natural person) dies or becomes insolvent or is sequestrated or is liquidated or wound up (where an employer is a juristic person).

  employees may be ‘de-registered’ under that employer in the event they die or their services have been terminated._______cut to the chase:accordingly, the appellant cannot pick and choose which laws should apply to them and which not.

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  The Fall Guy

  Thanks Terry & Earnest.

  The JW lawyers in Namibia must have earned their diplomas at the University of Slobovia, because no one with an I.Q. of 15 would have dreamt the cult's "arguments" could possibly contend with any of the following legal points:

  [34] The Labour Amendment Act stipulates that:

  ‘For the purposes of this Act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:

  (a) the manner in which the individual works is subject to the control or direction of that other person;

  (b) the individual’s hours of work are subject to the control or direction of that other person;

  (c) in the case of an individual who works for an organisation, the individual’s work forms an integral part of the organisation;

  (d) the individual has worked for that other person for an average of at least 20 hours per month over the past three months;

  (e) the individual is economically dependent on that person for whom he or she works or renders services;

  (f) the individual is provided with tools of trade or work equipment by that other person;

  (g) the individual only works for or renders services to that other person;

  See what happens when you don't get a higher education - comprehensively humiliated!
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  Resurrection to Heaven

  by Lost in the fog in

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  ct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.

  just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.

  zion's watchtower 1881, january.

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  The Fall Guy

  Lost in the fog - ask JW's exactly when the "last day" is/was scheduled for, and also for Bible proof of their timeline/chronology.

  (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54)

  39......but that I should resurrect them on the last day.

  40.......and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

  44.......and I will resurrect him on the last day.

  54........and I will resurrect him on the last day."

  (John 11:24) ".....Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day."
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  What do you do when your Operating System is corrupted?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i was just thinking of an illustration that may apply.. what do we do if our computer operating system is corrupted?

  perhaps through a virus, or because of outdated or corrupted technology?.

  do we hang on to that computer because of sentimental reasons?

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  The Fall Guy

  Had my computer's O.S. corrupted a few times over the years, mostly as a result of unwittingly allowing corrupt information to be absorbed by the hard drive. The solution was clear - format the hard drive and start with a "clean slate."

  Likewise with the brain and the WTBTS's "viruses." Mentally wipe off what's been stored and start again - this time not allowing external influences to corrupt & control how your "O.S." functions.
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  Delightful Xmas TV advert................................

  by The Fall Guy in

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  ....................which was rejected by the john lewis corporation who opted for a video which features a monster under a kid's bed!

  pity.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd_0biuzghg.

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  ....................which was rejected by the John Lewis corporation who opted for a video which features a monster under a kid's bed! Pity.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd_0BIuZgHg
  
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  Live Kingdom Hall Streaming

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
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  sincere apologies if i've missed previous post/s on this topic, but who actually owns this nice little earner?

  https://www.livekingdomhall.com/signup.

  i've just been discussing this "provision" with an elderly jw sister who paid out over £100 for an apple box, in order to access her local congregation meeting when she didn't attend..

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  Sincere apologies if I've missed previous post/s on this topic, but who actually owns this nice little earner?

  https://www.livekingdomhall.com/signup
  

  I've just been discussing this "provision" with an elderly JW sister who paid out over £100 for an Apple Box, in order to access her local congregation meeting when she didn't attend.
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  1st month of fading

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
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  i'm nearly at the end of my first month of becoming inactive.

  only my daughter knows.

  i've had a cold half of the month so no questions or pressure has been put on me yet.

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  Never forget that "silence is golden." Keep quiet as you fade.

  You have a P.M. which may give you some hints on how to deal with the wolves - if they come sniffing around.
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  Intro

  by jc1985 in

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  2. friends

  hello all, many years i have been lurking on this site.

  gradually i’ve learned the real truth, gone from serving as a servant and at bethel to inactive for almost a year, barely ever wasting time going to meetings.

  my family is large and very active and so is my wife’s so leaving altogether is difficult.. though it seems now that everything is about to change.

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  The Fall Guy

  Welcome to the OPEN forum jc1985.

  Sad that your "Christian" wife no longer wants to be married to you. Clearly she feels that her "spiritual endangerment" (non-Biblical phrase!) overrides 1 Corinthians 7:13, 14 - ".....if a woman has an unbelieving husband and he is agreeable to staying with her, let her not leave her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife..."

  I hope you come out of this relatively unscathed and stronger.
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  Hi, all...I'm a faithful JW who is sick of lies about us

  by James Donalds in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.

  but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.

  we are not mindless automatons.

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  The Fall Guy

  Welcome James. It's very unusual nowadays to find any JW's who's willing to talk about their beliefs.

  I've sent you a PM. (little green envelope - top right)
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  What Do You Do if the Household Does Not Celebrate?

  by BluesBrother in

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  it is christmas morning ....the weather outside looks cold grey and dismal (typical britain in winter ) the house is quiet as my wife gets on with something.

  .... the street is silent, as dead as the grave.

  the tv is full of the purile nonsense that fills airtime this time of year .

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  The Fall Guy

  Hi Blues Brother, the festive season? The Mass of Christ (Christ mass day) has long ceased to be regarded as a holy day (holiday) for the vast majority of people around the earth who "celebrate" it. http://www.antipas.org/books/xmas/xmas2.html

  How many individuals will actually mention the name "Jesus Christ" as they enjoy copious amounts of food and drink and get involved in the regulatory exchange of consumer products? It's become nothing more than a money-making "tradition" which many businesses depend on for their annual profit margins. Aren't you glad to be out of it? However, I don't want to dampen the joyous feelings of people on one of the rare days designed for happiness, gift-giving, and family get-togethers. Have a great time everybody.